Objection I Can't Believe In God Because Of The Atrocities He Commits In The Bible

Objection: I Can’t Believe In God Because Of The Atrocities He Commits In The Bible

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Some skeptics read parts of the Bible, and they have a problem with certain parts of it.

These certain parts usually have to do with God commanding the children of Israel to kill an entire nation including the women and the children.

“How can a loving God order the killing of innocent women and children?” They ask.

That’s a great question!

In this video, I give you my answer to the question of, “Did God commit atrocities in the Bible?”

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Did God Commit Atrocities in the Bible?

In this article, we are taking a look at a fascinating question, and the question is, “Did God commit atrocities in the Bible by wiping out entire nations, including women and children?”

So if I had a dollar for every single time that somebody comes and tells me, “Hey, Pete, I can’t believe in your God because He commits a heinous genocide in the Bible!

“He exterminates, uh, you know, kids and innocent women in the Bible. What kind of a god would do that?” then I would probably have enough money to buy a Honda Civic 😃.

So many people that don’t believe in God or don’t believe in the Christian God have a problem with this when they read the Bible.

It’s a difficult thing to understand, but, in this article, I’m going to share with you my thoughts or my answer as to why that is that case.

Many apologists like to give these traditional answers, but, in this article, it’s going to be completely different.

I’m not going to give you the traditional answer.

I’m going to give my answer. Whether that’s good or bad, I don’t know; you be the judge 😊.

3 Bible Passages That Reference “God Atrocities”

There are at least three passages in the Bible that I can think of in which people have a problem with.

One of them is with Noah when God instructs Noah to build the ark.

Noah's Ark

Some skeptics have a problem with Noah’s flood because they say that God committed genocide. But is that really what happened?

As a result, God only saves eight people; Noah, his wife, and his three sons and their wives, and then exterminates the whole earth by flooding it.

People have a problem with what happened here.

The second passage is in 1 Samuel chapter 15 in which God instructs Saul to entirely and utterly destroy the Amalekites, including the women and the children.

Finally, the third passage is in Deuteronomy, and here, God instructs the children of Israel to completely wipe out the nations that are in the land of Canaan.

This is going to be the passage that I’m going to be talking about today.

But if you want to see videos or articles about why God commanded the complete destruction of the whole earth like in the case of Noah’s flood or the case of the Amalekites with Saul, then just let me know in the comments.

So let’s take a look at this passage of scripture from Deuteronomy chapter 20 verses 16-18, and this is what it says:

“Only in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes, but you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittite and the Amorite, the Canaanite and the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite, as the Lord your God has commanded you, so that they may not teach you to do according to all their detestable things which they have done for their gods so that you would sin against the Lord your God.”

An Explanation of Why God Instructs Extermination

In this passage, it tells you why God is allowing the destruction of the Canaanites.

It’s so that they would not influence the children of Israel in a bad way.

But, still, that reason is not a good enough reason for a lot of people who say things like, “Well, why didn’t the children of Israel just go to another piece of land that was empty or maybe, they could have just dwelled peacefully with these people?”

To answer this question, we have to take a look at two qualities about God, okay?

The first quality of God is that God is not willing that any would perish, but that all would come to repentance, and this comes from 2 Peter chapter 3, in which it says,

“The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish, but for all to come to repentance.”

The second quality that we want to take a look at God is from Isaiah chapter 46 verses 9 and 10, and this is what it says:

“For I am God, and there is no other. I am God, and there is no one like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from the ancient times things which have not been done, saying, ‘My purpose will be established, and I will accomplish all my good pleasure.'”

From this Bible passage, we see that God knows the future.

God has always known the future, always has, and always will.

It’s not like He even needs a crystal ball like we sometimes see in the movies because God has always known the future.

God knows where you’re going to eat in the next five minutes.

He knows what you’re going to drink.

God knows everything about you and everybody else.

He knows all of the events that ever happen in the universe, and He’s always known them throughout the entire time.

I dont know who my future holds but I know Who holds my future

Now, Imagine That You Work in Animal Control

Okay, so now that we’ve taken a look at these two qualities, I want you to consider this scenario.

I want you to imagine that you are a person who works in Animal Control and you also have a daughter.

One day, you take a stroll in a little alley.

You’re walking in this alley with your daughter, and holding her hand.

She’s only three years old, and you guys are enjoying this beautiful walk.

All of a sudden, you hear this sound and it’s like, “Grrrr…”

You take a look, and right in front of you is a dog.

Now, it’s not just any kind of dog.

It looks like a very bad and evil dog.

Its eyes are bloodshot.

The dog is foaming at the mouth, and it looks like it’s about to attack you, okay?

Now, because you work in Animal Control, you know exactly what kind of dog this is.

This is a dog that has rabies!

If you know anything about rabies, then you know it’s a disease that can infect dogs and it has no cure.

dog with rabies

Dogs that are infected with rabies can’t be cured and can infect other dogs and humans

So you, because you’re an expert, you know that this is a dog with rabies.

Now, you have two options.

Option #1 is that you can run, you and your daughter.

But you pretty much know that chances are you’re not going to be able to outrun this dog.

It’s going to catch you, and your worst nightmare is going to happen.

That nightmare is that the dog is going to bite your daughter and he’s got rabies.

If the dog bites your daughter, then she will be infected with rabies too!

However, in this scenario, because you work in Animal Control, you also have a tranquilizer gun.

So option #2 is that you can take out your tranquilizer gun and put the dog “down to sleep,” and take its life away.

After all, there is no cure for rabies.

By you getting rid of the rabies-infected dog, then it can’t hurt your daughter, it can’t infect other dogs, and it can’t affect other people.

Which option would you choose?

You See, The Canaanites Had Spiritual Rabies

The reason why I give this hypothetical situation is that it’s a good analogy for what we’re dealing with here with the people who lived in the land of Canaan.

You see, these people were incredibly evil.

I can’t even begin to tell you about some of the terrible, nasty, gross, and evil things that they were doing at the time, but here are some of what they were doing.

1) The Canaanites were sacrificing some of their children to a god called Molech.

Molech is this ancient god.

You can look him up on Wikipedia if you want, but, basically, he’s a fire god.

These people believed that, to attain favor from Molech, that they had to sacrifice one of their kids.

So they would take one of their children, and they would sacrifice them in the fire to an altar to this fake god.

That’s terrible!

But it doesn’t just stop there.

2) They also committed incest.

Dads were having sex with their daughters and moms with their sons.

I mean, just even writing about this is so nasty.

3) Also, the Canaanites would have sex with prostitutes as a part of their idol worship.

So they believed in these fake gods and that they would go and have sex with these temple prostitutes as a part of their ritual and their idol worship.

4) Additionally, they would participate in bestiality.

I’m not going to even touch that one! 😲

So Why Did God Command the Killing of the Canaanites?

Remember, the two qualities that we looked at earlier

Quality #1 – God is not willing that any would perish, but that all would come to repentance.

Quality #2 – God knows the future.

So if there were any chance that these evil people would stop doing these evil, terrible, and wicked things with their kids, and all of the other horrific practices, then God would have saved them because:

  1. He’s not willing that any would perish, but that all would come to repentance and
  2. God also knows the future

God knows that the Canaanites have spiritual rabies and that they are going to continue to do these evil practices.

So then the best thing that He can do is to take them out.

And I’m going to tell you about why that’s so important in just a minute.

So the children of Israel ended up becoming God’s instrument of judgment to take out the Canaanites who wouldn’t repent of the evil things that they were doing.

Now Here is One of the Most Important Considerations

Now, here’s the kicker, and this is at least what I believe.

I think that the big thing that God was also doing is that He was actually saving children!

Yes, saving children! And here’s why.

Personally, I believe in the interpretation of the Bible that says that there’s something called the age of accountability.

The age of accountability states that babies and children who can’t understand truths like sin, repentance, and faith in Christ will not go to hell.

God holds children accountable for what they know and, because they don’t know or understand their evil impulses, then God has made a way for them to be able to go to heaven.

So when God took out the Canaanites, He was essentially moving all of the children from being here on earth and in a miserable state of living with these terrible, evil parents and taking them with Him to heaven.

So because of what God did, those children were able to go to heaven.

If God let those children grow up, then they would become evil just like their parents and would get infected with spiritual rabies.

So God was very merciful and gracious by having the Israelites take out the evil Canaanites while saving their children.

I Told You That Explanation Wasn’t a Traditional One

Like I told you at the beginning of this article, my explanation is not the traditional explanation that you’ll find online.

This is my own interpretation.

Just to recap, remember the qualities of God that we looked at in this article are:

  1. God is not willing that any would perish, but that all would come to repentance.
  2. God knows the future

That, that’s why I gave you the hypothetical rabies situation for you to consider because that’s precisely what the people in the Canaanite land had.

They had spiritual rabies, it was getting worse, and there was no cure in their future.

If there was even the slightest chance that the Canaanites would have repented of their evil ways, then you can be sure that God would have spared their lives.

Over to You

What is your interpretation of God ordering the killing of the Canaanites in the Bible?

 

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  1. One interpretation I’ve heard that is interesting is that of the contaminated genome caused by fallen angels producing offspring with human women (The Nephilim). This is a very clever tactic on the part of Satan to thwart God’s promise that from the seed of woman one will come that will crush his head (Genesis 3).

    Anywho, it is an interesting take if you’ve never investigated it.

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  2. Your analogy is definitely thought-provoking. Thank you for taking time to share. These thoughts prompt me to probe scripture further on my own.

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  3. Spot on Peter. If you have the time, you ought to read The Grace of God by Andy Stanley. One chapter touches on this topic, as some question God’s grace and love since it almost seems like He’s commanding genocide. As you pointed out, the inhabitants of Caanan were committing heinous atrocities, and would eventually infect Israel with these same problems if they continued to live there. Also, it mentions that the measure of their iniquities is not yet complete, indicating God was using Israel as judgment and punishment. It is even possible, like Jonah and the Ninnevites, God may have sent prophets to warn them to repent. Finally, it was fulfillment of God’s promise to give the land promised to Abraham to Israel. While it is hard for some to understand, it’s part of God’s judgment on sin, God’s protection of Israel and innocent children of the Caananites, and fulfillment of promise.

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      Thanks Evan for your kind words and your support.

      As far as the measure of the Canaanites iniquities not being complete, would you happen to know where I can find that in the Bible? I think it can be found in terms of some nations but I’m not sure if I’ve ever come across it when it comes to the Canaanites.

      Thanks brother 😊.

  4. Hello:) This Biblical genocide also makes me think of why God’s Word is ok with death penalty but not abortion. God is the master sovereign One on the throne and knows the perfect timing and plan for everything. The abominable acts of the Canaanites and the probable inability of them ever repenting reminds me of biblibal reprobates. So taking the young offspring was a blessing as they had chance at eternal life. Another argument with unbelievers is why does God allows death penalty but not abortion? This makes me think of age of accountability too. It makes sense to me more than ever and thanks for addressing this mystery of our Great Almighty Father!! Oh one more thing, do you think this explains why God wanted Jonah to preach to Ninevited as He knew many would repent of their sins?
    Thanks,
    Bird

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      Hi Bird, in terms of your question about Jonah, it’s a possibility.

      As far as the conversation goes about the death penalty, I have an interesting question for you that I would like your opinion on. We know for sure that in the Old Testament that God did okay the death penalty. Do you believe that the death penalty is also valid under the New Testament?

  5. Your suggestion about the extermination of all the Canaanites sounds valid and is, I’m sure, supported by other Christians. Someone also suggested that even the animals were infected with STDs which is why they, too, had to die.

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      Thanks Julia for your insight. To your knowledge, ix the animals being infected with STDs theory supported through any Bible passages? I’m interested to know if there is any scriptural support for this theory so that’s why I’m asking.

  6. I have two cousins who are atheists and they said it was because they could never understand why God would have the Egyptian babies killed. Obviously the babies had nothing to do with any sin. Any insight on this?

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      Personally, my own interpretation, is that the same kind of logic can apply to the Egyptian babies being killed. Additionally, God warned the people through Moses that this would happen and He gave them multiple opportunities to repent but they wouldn’t.

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  7. Peter et al,

    Wow….. just wow. Sitting here shaking my head in my hands at your post and the readers comments. Truly unbelievable the hoops people will jump through to justify atrocities as well as accept complete and utter brutality. Very sad to me the way you currently think is the way I used to think.

    Rog

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      LOL, thanks Rog for your comment, my brother. Is it okay that your comment made me smile? I only smile out of the love and respect that I have for you. But shouldn’t all of my blog posts pretty much be a disappointment to you? 😄

      Warning: by your standards, I’ll probably stoop to a new low fairly soon 😄

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  8. WOW! I literally was thinking that exact interpretation only very recently! I recall once a young person had commented to me about not liking God flooding the earth and killing all the children. I would have loved to have this as a response to her question back then. Thanks for sharing

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  9. Actually Peter I enjoy reading your blog posts – you make me smile as well! Only a couple of times have your thoughts shifted from slightly off the rails to full blow offensive. Trying to justify atrocities (atrocities CLEARLY spelled out in the Bible) they way you have only makes Judaism/Christianity seem more monstrous.

    I would think that “the perfect word of God” itself would either provide those explanations if needed or these passages could be taken at face value. No need for apologetics.

    What you have written in a way of excusing or even glorifying the most vile acts imaginable is truly disturbing. I know you well enough by now to understand you are a very kind and caring man so its very difficult for me to wrap my head around what you and your readers are on-board with in this post. You guys certainly wouldn’t find these kinds of actions being committed by another religious group as acceptable.

    Love you brother. Looking forward to the next post.

    Rog

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  10. I believe this is true. As hard as it is to grasp, I also believe God takes children today for the same reason. One thing those who object to God commanding this don’t understand is that God is perfect and no sin can abide with Him. In His righteousness He can choose to take children to Heaven to keep them from Hell. Praise God.

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  11. Is everyone here ok with an omniscient God ordering genocide by killing babies (along with men, women, kids, animals, etc) for things He obviously foresaw and could have prevented via His unlimited power to begin with?

    Just curious.

    Rog

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      It’s funny that you bring that up Rog because I just recorded a video today that is going to be the next blog post about why God allows suffering. In that video, I give my opinion about why God doesn’t prevent 100% of all evil things from happening. It should make for a good discussion.

      So as you probably can tell, I wouldn’t call it genocide but I would call it killing. And for me, I’m okay with God’s decision to do that for reasons that I explained in my video/article.

      By the way, Rog, Jennifer Cooper was trying to reply to your comment but I don’t know if she hit the reply button or if my blog messed up. So if you reply to her comment below, she should get the notification if you want to spark a discussion 👍.

  12. Why do you presume anything about God’s supreme right to decide who lives and dies? It’s already been explained that the same people you question God’s goodness on for destroying them were throwing their own children into the fires as a sacrifice to their god. He knows those who will turn to Him and who won’t, and it’s God’s right to call the shots.

  13. God is the manifestation of mans fear of the future.
    Every person should be an Atheist and read Bhagvad Gita.

  14. The takeaway I get from this is:
    If God let those children grow up, then they would become evil just like their parents and would get infected with “spiritual rabies,” passing the behavior on to their own children.
    –Parent are responsible for their sins whereas children are not .
    –the children are therefore taken to heaven and safeguarded from living such a horrible life.

    ??….??
    The parents were children once too
    –they just grew up knowing ONLY what they were taught from their environment

    Now if we look to Gospel of John, 9:1–12, Jesus saw a man who had been blind since birth. His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”

    There is more, but part of the question implies, among those disciples, at least, the belief, deeds in a previous life have impact on the present one,
    and therefore a belief in the transmigration of souls from one life to the next.

    A simpler way to dispose of “God committing atrocities” problem, [if we are going to speculate unconventional answers at least this one may have some Biblical foundation, and this answer is, in part, has familiarity to Hindus and Buddhists].

    IF The disciples were right, souls eventually migrate from one life to the next, ..egads REINCARNATION.
    Acceptance of the Sovereignty of Jesus Christ means, of course, is this set aside, one goes to heaven at the end of THIS life.

    But for those who do not know Jesus Christ and have who not unequivocally rejected him, reincarnation may be a mechanism where the unredeemed are born in another place as another person with another chance. Under this scenario, those Noah flood bodies, smote Canaanites, Amalekites etc. were “recycled through the system.” They are not really dead, they are living with us now until they accept Jesus Christ or burn at the Last Judgment.

    Any explanation of the exact disposition of said souls is highly speculative, but lest we think God is a casual smiter of evildoers let us look at Luke 9:51-55 where Jesus (who is God) is rejected by a Samaritan village. When his disciples, James and John, saw it, they said, “Lord, do you want us to tell fire to come down from heaven and consume them as Elijah did?” Jesus turned and rebuked them, You do not know what manner of spirit you are of; for the Son of Man came not to destroy people’s lives but to save them.”

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      You do pose an interesting theory, SteamPress. So in conclusion, do you believe in the reincarnation theory or was it just you commenting on the subject of people accusing God that He commits atrocities in the Bible?

  15. I like the post, makes good since I think. It can also be pointed out that God eventually allowed His own people to fall to almost the same destruction He commanded them to perform against the Canaanites. God’s people eventually were destroyed and carried captive by the Assyrians and Babylonians because they went to practicing the same sorts of detestable idolatry, probably ruminants of the idolatry left by the Canaanites whom they failed to remove from the land. God also eventually allowed a remnant of His people to return to the land after they repented while in captivity. God is just toward all. He is no respecter of persons… That may be one of the traditional arguments, I didn’t check; I’m studying this right now in Jeremiah where God judged His own people because they forsook Him to pursue idolatry. Thanks for the post – I landed here for the the first time a few minutes ago through a post on getting over the fear of evangelism, Thanks!

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  16. @Peter Guirguis

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    The main disadvantage of of the karma/reincarnation view it goes against traditional Christian dogma of the immediate Heaven or Hell destination at the end of the current term. Jesus did convey Heaven at the end of this life for those who believe in Him and spoke of Hell.

    The one advantage it disposes quickly of arguments of God committing atrocities (since he is recycling them so to speak) or why someone was borne into this life with severe disabilities or why one person has more innate talent than another.

    FYI Orthodox Jews seem to have a belief in some form of reincarnation, but this may be because of the Kabbalah, the origin of which is not exactly clear.

    https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/reincarnation-the-transmigration-of-a-jewish-idea/

    Some of the ex-Khmer Rouge, commiters of heinous crimes cumulatively numbering perhaps as much as 3 million;
    realize that under karma and reincarnation they are on the hook for those crimes for many lifetimes.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/oct/24/religion.uk
    https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-South-Central/2009/0406/p06s02-wosc.html
    https://www.wired.com/2004/10/the_khmer_rouge/

    By sincerely accepting the sovereignty of Jesus instead, these ex- Khmer Rouge individuals understand they will dwell eternally in Heaven at the end of their CURRENT lifetime.

    The issue of what happens to the unsaved and the various speculations that can result all add up to one thing. We do not have enough information to know in all certainly except that there will eventually be a Last Judgement.

    In the meantime it seems like a good idea, as with the ex- Khmer Rouge, the thief on the cross and even Rudolph Hoss SS commandant of Auschwitz, to accept the sovereignty of the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Overseeing as many as 3 mil dead, Shortly before his execution Höss repented returned to the Catholic Church. On 10 April 1947, he received the sacrament of penance. If sincere, along with those ex- Khmer Rouge and the thief on the cross who acknowledged he deserved his place there and to whom Jesus promised Paradise, when we get to Heaven we are going to have some very interesting neighbors indeed.

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  17. @Peter Guirguis
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    The links should give information but the skinny is the Khmer Rouge were the “Killing Fields” communists / leftists who controlled Cambodia from 1975 and 1979. Main leader was Pol Pot. They wanted to create an agrarian socialist society, to this end they relocated millions to work on collective farms, emptying the cities. About 25% of Cambodia’s then population of 8 million died in the process.

    Extreme by even Communist standards, the Khmer Rouge methods caused complaints among other Cambodian Marxist-Leninists. Vietnam won a war against Cambodia, toppling the Pol Pot government in 1979 . Forced into exile , the Khmer Rouge eventually dissolved. Introspect in their later years, some of the ex-Khmer Rouge turned to the religion for answers..

    This article makes the stronger case of Christianity vs Buddhism as per salvation:

    “….karma is difficult to face when con­fronted with heinous past deeds.

    “I would say that Christianity has some advantages over Buddhism in terms of the idea of atoning for one’s sins,” Carmichael says. “[In Buddhism], life is a cycle of birth, death and rebirth, and one’s behaviour in this life dictates how one will come back in the next life. There is no escaping one’s crimes in Buddhism, and I suspect that for many of the converts, this is a powerful motivator.””<<

    http://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/long-reads/article/2071116/former-khmer-rouge-cadres-who-turned-god

  18. So all of this speculation about why God would “appear” to commit atrocities builds up to the big climax that God wants to save a few people from the eternal damnation he’ll inflict on the rest?
    Billions of people will burn in hell because they never heard of or accepted Jesus as Savior? God desires that none should perish but all should come to repentance, yet he’s had 2,000 years to make his case or kill lots of rabid dogs to save lots of kids…and the mythical fires are fed anyway? Why do you believe this? PLEASE don’t reply with, “Because God says so in his Word.” Think of something more clever and well-researched, not simply rehearsed.

    Peter and I had this discussion a few years ago. As I recall, I asked for reasons to believe in an eternal, inescapable, fiery hell created by an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent God, because I certainly wouldn’t throw my kid in a campfire, even if he broke my rules. The reply was a very unsatisfying, “God is holy, I am not.”

    On a happier note, if you do a search in YouTube for Jason Hancock Cherry Pie, you’ll find a bright and happy piece of music that I inspired. The “gasp” you’ll notice commemorates the moment I realized I didn’t need to believe in Babel…or Noah’s Ark…or the burden of having the responsibility to share the good news that would save people from God’s hell.

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      Let me ask you this hypothetical question, Sandra. I want you to imagine that you have a crystal ball that can predict the future with 100% accuracy. Now, imagine that you are throwing a party at your house. You look into your crystal ball and you see that some people that you are planning on inviting will say no to the invitation to your party.

      Since you have this crystal ball and you know that it predicts the future with 100% accuracy, are you obligated to invite those people who you know will say no to you?

  19. No, I’m not obligated to invite anyone but I “sure as hell” won’t burn them for eternity if they don’t come!
    Whether they got the invitation and decided not to bother, or rejected me because I’m boring or a killjoy or incomprehensible, or they grew up in a culture or family that had other ideas about partying, or they never knew they never knew there was a party at my place, I would not torment them for all eternity, or let them live in fear of suffering forever, or have their lives impacted by the fear that those they don’t tell will go to hell.

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      God doesn’t allow people to burn in hell because they don’t go to His party. But everyone chooses whether they will go to hell or not depending on what their thoughts, words, and action are. For example:
      Have you ever hurt someone intentionally or unintentionally?
      Have you ever lied?
      Have you ever hated somebody?
      Have you ever taken God’s name in vain?

      All of these things are sins that you and I shouldn’t do. But we do them anyway because we have a sinful nature. And anyone who practices these kinds of things and does not repent of them goes to hell. But God also gave you a way to avoid the punishment by believing in Jesus Christ.

      So Sandra, you and I are 100% responsible for where we end up (heaven or hell). I know it’s not the answer that you like or that you’re looking for, but that’s what I believe is true.

  20. The question then, Peter, is WHY do you believe it’s true? Why would a believer in another faith be as convinced that they got God right as you are that you did? A lot of responses to political posts declare that “God’s will has been done!” if an outcome is Conservative, and that “Satan needs to be put down!” if it’s not. Sounds like CULTURAL conditioning, to be opposed to decisions, or embrace them. Doesn’t it seem that an omnipotent being could do better by the BILLIONS of people affected by other people, clarifying the terrifying message to all who are allegedly headed for hell if they don’t get the response right?

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